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		By: Beth		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beth]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don’t think this author has a firm understanding of Christianity. We live under the new covenant, New Testament law. Remember when Jesus was merciful and said, “He who is without sin cast the first stone.” about the adulterous woman. That doesn’t sound like a religion that kills fornicators, gays or certainly not people who skip Sunday services. He’s delusional. Jesus was loving and and compassionate that none may perish. The Bible has strict rules and expectations that we follow out of a love for Christ and because we know He wants what’s best for us. If we stray, we ask for forgiveness and he’s quick to grant it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t think this author has a firm understanding of Christianity. We live under the new covenant, New Testament law. Remember when Jesus was merciful and said, “He who is without sin cast the first stone.” about the adulterous woman. That doesn’t sound like a religion that kills fornicators, gays or certainly not people who skip Sunday services. He’s delusional. Jesus was loving and and compassionate that none may perish. The Bible has strict rules and expectations that we follow out of a love for Christ and because we know He wants what’s best for us. If we stray, we ask for forgiveness and he’s quick to grant it.</p>
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		By: Darren Evans		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Darren Evans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2019 10:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://moralarc.org/why-islam-of-the-three-great-monotheistic-religions-one-did-not-go-through-enlightenment/#comment-694&quot;&gt;Diogenes&lt;/a&gt;.

True, you&#039;d still have mentally unstable and violent criminals doing bad things but they would not be doing it because of atheism.

As someone smarter than me said about religion - &quot;With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://moralarc.org/why-islam-of-the-three-great-monotheistic-religions-one-did-not-go-through-enlightenment/#comment-694">Diogenes</a>.</p>
<p>True, you&#8217;d still have mentally unstable and violent criminals doing bad things but they would not be doing it because of atheism.</p>
<p>As someone smarter than me said about religion &#8211; &#8220;With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Magnum Quest		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Magnum Quest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Apr 2019 14:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If I paint my glasses to not see state sanctioned terrorism as evil, your article starts making sense. 

Otherwise the only reason Jews and Christians went through an enlightenment is because of the abuse they endured under their leaders who did take their scriptures seriously a couple hundred years ago.

I always tell my Christian friends who worry too much about the apparent spread of atheism: You created atheism. Most atheists today come from Christian families. Atheism and by analogy enlightenment are both direct products of the mess their religion originally brought. 

As science developed, Christianity and Judaism started making no sense whatsoever. Islamic scriptures on the other hand start making more sense to Muslims. This is the reason Muslims at their time embraced and progressed science at a pace not seen in Christendom. (As you are probably aware, Christians were busy fighting scientists at that time). 

Muslims on the other hand &#039;wish to go back to barbaric times&#039;, because for them those times were beautiful. (That can&#039;t be said about when Christians / Jews were in power). Muslims have been suffering ever since the other &#039;great&#039; religions became enlightened. 

If all they see is enlightened nations constantly attacking them, why would they ever wish for enlightenment? Except those among them fed the same lies you grow up with. Lies that portray capitalism as morally superior form of life than religion based governance simply because there is an illusion of control when corporations are deities.

Drugs, Alcohol and the unfair distribution of wealth have together killed more people than all the wars ever fought in the name of religion since recorded history.

If you take alcohol alone, it has killed more people than terrorism or &#039;Shariah&#039; law ever did in any Muslim country since the birth of Islam. Suicide rate just in the Afghan war (among the enlightened troops) was much higher than the actual body count due to the violence of the Shariah-mongers. 

What incentive do Muslims have to want your version of evil and consider it any less violent than theirs. The only reason left is, because you said so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I paint my glasses to not see state sanctioned terrorism as evil, your article starts making sense. </p>
<p>Otherwise the only reason Jews and Christians went through an enlightenment is because of the abuse they endured under their leaders who did take their scriptures seriously a couple hundred years ago.</p>
<p>I always tell my Christian friends who worry too much about the apparent spread of atheism: You created atheism. Most atheists today come from Christian families. Atheism and by analogy enlightenment are both direct products of the mess their religion originally brought. </p>
<p>As science developed, Christianity and Judaism started making no sense whatsoever. Islamic scriptures on the other hand start making more sense to Muslims. This is the reason Muslims at their time embraced and progressed science at a pace not seen in Christendom. (As you are probably aware, Christians were busy fighting scientists at that time). </p>
<p>Muslims on the other hand &#8216;wish to go back to barbaric times&#8217;, because for them those times were beautiful. (That can&#8217;t be said about when Christians / Jews were in power). Muslims have been suffering ever since the other &#8216;great&#8217; religions became enlightened. </p>
<p>If all they see is enlightened nations constantly attacking them, why would they ever wish for enlightenment? Except those among them fed the same lies you grow up with. Lies that portray capitalism as morally superior form of life than religion based governance simply because there is an illusion of control when corporations are deities.</p>
<p>Drugs, Alcohol and the unfair distribution of wealth have together killed more people than all the wars ever fought in the name of religion since recorded history.</p>
<p>If you take alcohol alone, it has killed more people than terrorism or &#8216;Shariah&#8217; law ever did in any Muslim country since the birth of Islam. Suicide rate just in the Afghan war (among the enlightened troops) was much higher than the actual body count due to the violence of the Shariah-mongers. </p>
<p>What incentive do Muslims have to want your version of evil and consider it any less violent than theirs. The only reason left is, because you said so.</p>
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		By: Huda Syed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Huda Syed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Apr 2019 20:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[islam is a kind religion you can&#039;t judge them that way. Their book is very beautiful]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>islam is a kind religion you can&#8217;t judge them that way. Their book is very beautiful</p>
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		By: Mario Rodgers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mario Rodgers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2019 07:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://moralarc.org/why-islam-of-the-three-great-monotheistic-religions-one-did-not-go-through-enlightenment/#comment-697&quot;&gt;همام أبو محمد&lt;/a&gt;.

All religions are stupid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://moralarc.org/why-islam-of-the-three-great-monotheistic-religions-one-did-not-go-through-enlightenment/#comment-697">همام أبو محمد</a>.</p>
<p>All religions are stupid.</p>
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		By: Jojo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jojo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Mar 2019 14:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow. This was a super biased article. How can anyone who appreciates research and evaluation respect the author’s bigoted findings. His bigotry is very clear from the start. And every researcher knows that how you phrase the question (and it’s paramters) will determine the answers. His hypothesis  and defining terms are clearly set out to determine pre-emptively that Islam = terror. 

“Non-state actor” please. And let’s dalos forget the US legislative branch has very rarely declared war on a nation, group, or individuals. Which makes the executive  branch’s military operations illegal. I’m not even going to get into US covert operations, since everyone involved has “plausible deniability” (legal ignorance and lack of care and due diligence duties) built into their roles.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. This was a super biased article. How can anyone who appreciates research and evaluation respect the author’s bigoted findings. His bigotry is very clear from the start. And every researcher knows that how you phrase the question (and it’s paramters) will determine the answers. His hypothesis  and defining terms are clearly set out to determine pre-emptively that Islam = terror. </p>
<p>“Non-state actor” please. And let’s dalos forget the US legislative branch has very rarely declared war on a nation, group, or individuals. Which makes the executive  branch’s military operations illegal. I’m not even going to get into US covert operations, since everyone involved has “plausible deniability” (legal ignorance and lack of care and due diligence duties) built into their roles.</p>
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		By: Feliks Gailitis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Feliks Gailitis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2019 19:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I usually try and explain to people what the difference is between a religion and a cult, although there may be much debate about it.  However, I define Islam as a cult, and form this reason.  For example, Judaism evolved over many centuries, and though they have their prophets, their belifs are based on laws and knowledge, not around a singular entity, unless you&#039;re speaking of God.  Buddhism and Christianity revolve around the teachings of a singular person.  However, the religions that they spawned did not come from them, but from their followers and what they taught to others as they spread the ideas.  The religions took hold long after the teachers had already passed away.  I consider Islam a cult,, because any cult is started by an individual, whether it&#039;s Muhammad or an L. Ron Hubbard or Jim Jones, and in their lifetime, they center the cult around themselves and set themselves up as the prophet or spiritual leader of that cult.  That is what Muhammad did.  He was a warlord, a pedophile, yet he created this &quot;religion&quot; around himself and his teachings.   He spread it with violence and conquest.  He murdered many as his followers would in order to spread his teachings, which really more about political control.  I don&#039;t recall Jesus or Buddha instructing his followers to conquer and kill people in their name.  Muhammad did.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I usually try and explain to people what the difference is between a religion and a cult, although there may be much debate about it.  However, I define Islam as a cult, and form this reason.  For example, Judaism evolved over many centuries, and though they have their prophets, their belifs are based on laws and knowledge, not around a singular entity, unless you&#8217;re speaking of God.  Buddhism and Christianity revolve around the teachings of a singular person.  However, the religions that they spawned did not come from them, but from their followers and what they taught to others as they spread the ideas.  The religions took hold long after the teachers had already passed away.  I consider Islam a cult,, because any cult is started by an individual, whether it&#8217;s Muhammad or an L. Ron Hubbard or Jim Jones, and in their lifetime, they center the cult around themselves and set themselves up as the prophet or spiritual leader of that cult.  That is what Muhammad did.  He was a warlord, a pedophile, yet he created this &#8220;religion&#8221; around himself and his teachings.   He spread it with violence and conquest.  He murdered many as his followers would in order to spread his teachings, which really more about political control.  I don&#8217;t recall Jesus or Buddha instructing his followers to conquer and kill people in their name.  Muhammad did.</p>
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		By: chris reed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chris reed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2018 14:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Shermer opens this piece with &#039;One of the central tenets of science is to define a problem to be studied with as much clarity as possible, and the key to clear communication is calling things what they really are. Unfortunately, both the American media and public intellectuals have failed to be honest in identifying what everyone in Europe knows is the primary source of terrorism in the world today: Islam&#039;. In this he cites science as a guide then abandons it to rhetoric. I was surprised as his work on skepticism always suggested a thorough empirical, positivist, social science approach. I look at this more ecologically and suggest &#039;place&#039; as Jared Diamond proposes also influences behaviour at a large geographic scale. As a European I cannot speak for &#039;everybody&#039; (the rhetoric of bulltish) but about a million Britains protested the invasion, because I suspect they knew violence begets violence. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2765041.stm In &#039;It&#039;s the Occupation Stupid&#039; in Foreign Policy it suggests loss of autonomy could drive suicide terrorism more than the failure of the Islamic enlightenment 200 years ago. https://foreignpolicy.com/2010/10/18/its-the-occupation-stupid/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shermer opens this piece with &#8216;One of the central tenets of science is to define a problem to be studied with as much clarity as possible, and the key to clear communication is calling things what they really are. Unfortunately, both the American media and public intellectuals have failed to be honest in identifying what everyone in Europe knows is the primary source of terrorism in the world today: Islam&#8217;. In this he cites science as a guide then abandons it to rhetoric. I was surprised as his work on skepticism always suggested a thorough empirical, positivist, social science approach. I look at this more ecologically and suggest &#8216;place&#8217; as Jared Diamond proposes also influences behaviour at a large geographic scale. As a European I cannot speak for &#8216;everybody&#8217; (the rhetoric of bulltish) but about a million Britains protested the invasion, because I suspect they knew violence begets violence. <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2765041.stm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2765041.stm</a> In &#8216;It&#8217;s the Occupation Stupid&#8217; in Foreign Policy it suggests loss of autonomy could drive suicide terrorism more than the failure of the Islamic enlightenment 200 years ago. <a href="https://foreignpolicy.com/2010/10/18/its-the-occupation-stupid/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://foreignpolicy.com/2010/10/18/its-the-occupation-stupid/</a></p>
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		By: (O_O)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[(O_O)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2018 08:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well according to this:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/23/mark-anthony-conditt-terrorism-christianity]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well according to this:<br />
<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/23/mark-anthony-conditt-terrorism-christianity" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/23/mark-anthony-conditt-terrorism-christianity</a></p>
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		By: Rodrigo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rodrigo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2018 15:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Christianity was AS VIOLENT as Islam up to the Enlightenment, and even after it. To this day Christians still destroy indigenous cultures, pretending they are &quot;saving the souls&quot; of those peoples. Not to mention their utter disrespect for our environment, hoping (or pretending) there will be another Earth after we destroy this one (like the Bible says). And the Enlightenment didn&#039;t happen because of Christianity, on the contrary: it happened because a few people DIED or RISKED THEIR LIVES defying the Christian dogmas. Now let&#039;s be honest about this, shall we?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christianity was AS VIOLENT as Islam up to the Enlightenment, and even after it. To this day Christians still destroy indigenous cultures, pretending they are &#8220;saving the souls&#8221; of those peoples. Not to mention their utter disrespect for our environment, hoping (or pretending) there will be another Earth after we destroy this one (like the Bible says). And the Enlightenment didn&#8217;t happen because of Christianity, on the contrary: it happened because a few people DIED or RISKED THEIR LIVES defying the Christian dogmas. Now let&#8217;s be honest about this, shall we?</p>
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